tankless water heaters...

Please don't get angry with me for pointing out the flaws or half-truths that others might not be telling you about . I only state "just the facts" about tankelss products. If your mind is already 100% made up , we will be more than happy to give you a very reasonable price for one.

Keeping things simple... usually works best.

Going GREEN with today's Tankless heaters reminds me of my "solar water heater " days. It's all the same "tall tales" on energy savings, the same "fuzzy math" on payback, and the same "tax credits " to convince you to buy one.

l really love trees too, but folks, you are not going to save the planet by getting a tankless water heater.

It is much wiser to take that money and put more insulation or better windows in your home. I can 100% guarantee that you would see a dramatic savings doing this vs $3800 into a tankless water heater.

If you really have the need, desire, and urge to feel "all green and fuzzy" about yourself, why not save that money and just go out in your back yard and plant some trees??.

If you absolutely must do something green, planting trees for future generations to enjoy would be a much more "green" and rewarding thing to do instead of throwing away $3800 for a tankless heater.

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We can debate this until doomsday, please show me facts and real numbers.......

consumer reports, Oct 2008 . click this link for cold hard facts.

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/appliances/heating-cooling-and-air/water-heaters/tankless-water-heaters/overview/tankless-water-heaters-ov.htm

Comparing Fuel Costs

To estimate your water-heating bill, locate the price you pay for gas, electricity or propane on the charts below: (Based on general energy prices)

Natural Gas Propane Electricity

Price per therm Yearly Cost Price per gallon Yearly Cost Price per kilowatt-hour Yearly Cost

$0.50 $136 $0.95 $283 $0.08 $390

$0.60 $163 $1.05 $313 $0.10 $488

$0.70 $190 $1.15 $343 $0.12 $585

1. The payback takes 22++ years!! This is totally insane, you might save up to 8 bucks a month !!

Folks, the numbers don't lie.

If you live in your home till the day you die, once you add in the de-scaleing costs, you can never break even!

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2. In  INDIANA , with  BITTER COLD -- ROCK HARD -- LIME --IRON -- MINERAL infested water, they CANNOT MAINTAIN  their efficiency without bi-annual maintaince...$$

All brands state in their fine print...

The heating coil should be flushed out with a de-scaling solution and cleaned "periodically " by a qualified service tech to maintain good performance, if  the heating coil limes up due to hard water,    this VOIDS the  warranty!!!

What will it cost  to clean the heating coil in your tankless water heater and how often should it be done??

What will happen to your     FLOW RATE   if the tankless unit is not de-limed      "periodically".

Can you "de-lime" your tankless unit yourself once, or twice a year??

Does $250   once a year to de-lime your tankless heater sound economical??

remember to factor in the   "de-scaling service" into that huge savings of about $8 bucks a month you get from a tankless heater!!

http://www.terrylove.com/forums/showthread.php?38442-Noritz-Descaling

http://www.complaints.com/2007/march/1/Bosch_Aquastar_240_FX_tankless_water_heater_18190.htm

http://www.complaints.com/directory/2006/june/14/26.htm

3. In INDIANA you MUST have a water softener to get lime out of the water. You MUST maintain very low hardness level of your water. http://www.complaints.com/directory/2006/june/14/26.htm

4. Tax credits have been extended to 12-31-11 .. then the fat lady sings.....

you now only get a tax credit of only $500 from the feds....next year ..on your taxes. So you spend $3800 now, for a promise of .. up to the max of $500 off your tax bill ..... next year.

WOW....what a deal.

I'll gladly pay you double tomorrow for a hamburger made today.

Remember Wimpy, that their is no guarantee you will be satisfied with this product.

.5. Finding a repair man for a tankless heater could be very difficult . Finding parts asap could also be fun .

http://www.my3cents.com/showReview.cgi?id=48140

If its going to be a week for parts to arrive or the next appointment for the only good service man in 75 miles is next Friday, you are sunk....sunk...sunk

6 Will you be able to run more than one shower at the same time?? Can it handle that or will you have to modify your life-style and take turns in the bath to accommodate the tankless unit??

Here are more " hard numbers"

Jan. 05 Bradford White conducted extensive studies Read this article, it appears that the actual savings with a tankless heater is less than nominal. .

http://www.pmengineer.com/CDA/Archives/8cf9e86f7c298010VgnVCM100000f932a8c0____

Read this first link for " glowing testimonials" .

http://www.terrylove.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25461

http://www.askthebuilder.com/451_Tankless_Water_Heaters.shtml

http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/plumbing/msg0114073621251.html

Here are sites that do reviews on tankless units.

http://www.consumersearch.com/www/house_and_home/water-heaters/reviews.html

the BOSCH BRAND has a very poor rating...

http://www.epinions.com/Bosch_Natural_Gas_Tankless_Water_Heater_Aquastar_250SX/display_~reviews

http://www.epinions.com/Bosch_Assister_125B_NG_Natural_Gas_Tankless_Water_Heater/display_~reviews

----------------------------------------------------------------------Here are a few alternatives to a tankless water heater

Eternal water heater. http://eternalwaterheater.com/